England v spain Come on never won owt as a player and take kanes pens out of the equation and look just how many he actually scored . When England got beat in the last euros by Italy dumbgate should have gone then. Because he was a defender that's his negative side coming through. Look at the Spain team young players put in by their manager and England have got some quality players with pace. But dumbgate sticks by kane who if your being honest has no pace. I played at a decent level and you don't win games defending. Defenders hate players with pace and we have plenty with it. And let me ask you this did you honestly think England would win tonight ?